Wednesday, 30 June 2010

Is Islam Misunderstood?

Apart from some minor editing by me, this post consists of an email which I received from one of our regular Grumpy Old Twat commentors. I thought I would share it with you .........

I'd like, if I may, to bring up the subject of "Moderate Muslims".

The BBC constantly inform us that, other than a few pesky Jihadi hot heads, Islam is truly a peaceful and benevolent religion, and we must all show humility to these wonderful people .... in the name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful.

New Labour set up many a quango, giving generous public grants to these Islamic beacons of hope. Allegedly, the core message was to be tolerance, peace and understanding, to prove to us all that Islam was indeed misunderstood.

One of these government funded beacons of hope was the Muslim Public Affairs Committee charged with bringing the true message of Mohammed into many an Infidel home.

And that message is of course that: "Islam is Peace".

Imagine my surprise then whilst searching for the true message of God, from our peaceful Islamic brethren, I was perusing the British government funded M.P.A.C.U.K. website, and on surfing through the comments section of one of the "peaceful" articles, "Viva Palestine in Bradford", I happened to espy a message to me if I should so choose to comment.

Try it for yourself, with any of the articles at

Islam and it's "moderate" publicly funded Muslims,
truly do bring to us a "message of peace".

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Captain Haddock said...

I've just tried the "posting" test & see what's being referred to .. hardly the language of "peace" & "accord" is it ?

Not what I'd call an open invitation to reasoned debate is it ?

But then, I suppose it all depends on one's interpretation of "moderate" ..

I don't for one minute think that the average Muslim shop keeper is going to suddenly rush around planting bombs .. but if that shop keeper is "devout" then by Islamic Law, a percentage of his income must be given to Islamic "charities" .. (please correct me if I'm wrong) which in turn could find its way into the hands of those who would plant bombs .. In exactly the same way that naive Americans who contributed to NORAID funded the IRA terror campaign ..

After every "Islamic" atrocity we get the usual "talking-heads" from the Muslim Council of Britain decrying such acts & re-assuring us (with their insincere smiles) that the "moderates" do not support such actions ..

If that is indeed the reality, then, I for one would like to know why these so-called "moderates" are not doing more to condemn their militant brothers & sisters ?

Why are influential Immams not using the freely available airtime & access to the MSM to condemn such actions ?

Given the fact that one of the tenets of the Islamic faith is to convert the entire world to Islam .. my own belief is that the "moderates" are sitting on the fence, until they see which way the wind will blow ..

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone following whichever faith lights their candle .. I'm of no faith at all (despite having been born & raised as a Catholic) .. If I can't see it, touch it, smell it, hear it or taste it .. "it" doesn't exist ..

No belief system should be treated any more, or any less favourably than another .. No belief system should be immune from criticism .. And I shall continue to criticise  Catholicism, Judaism, Anglicism, Islam or any other faith where I perceive wrong-doing ..

If in the cases of Islam & Judaism that means I'm labelled either "Racist" or "Anti-Semitic" (you know .. the usual accusations made against someone daring to hold a different point of view) .. then those are labels I'm quite happy to live with .. They worry me not in the slightest ..

GrumpyOldTwat said...

An excellent response Cap'n ..... spot on and well written.

So that's just the 3 of us that give a fuck then.

The Griffon said...

4, if you count me. Well, what can I say? Labour sponsored, a waste of our money in the interests of 'harmony' and 'multi culturism' - and I wonder what will be said when this sort of thing turns round and bites us all on the arse?

There was me foolishly thinking race hatred was a crime an' all. Stupid, eh?

Caratacus said...


Those petulant capricious sects,
Maggots of corrupted texts.

Certainly do not - under any circumstances - encourage the buggers with money. Or pump up their already over-inflated egos.

There is more misery caused by organised religion that just about anything else.  Leviticus Chapter 25 says that I can own slaves as long as I buy them from heathen neighbours - don't hear much about that on Thought for the Day or Songs of Praise.

Captain Haddock said...

Who in their right bloody minds wants to own slaves these days Caratacus ?

With all the Elf n' Safety and Yuman Rites legislation it would be a recipe for mega-hassle ..

Plus it would give rise to yet another voracious Quango devouring taxpayers money at a rate of knots ..

Nah .. Can't be arsed ..   :-D :-D :-D

Caratacus said...

Wouldn't it be good though if the quango was called OffKuntaKinte?

Houdini said...

Any muslim, but any, is a muslim forst and whatever second, that means they are muslims before British. How can that be right?

Cunts all and fuck them off and give the cunts fuckall. If they don't like it, tell them to fuck off.

BTW: Mussy cunts like Binjam hocuntchops, the ethiopian held in gitmo and brought here to the uk at great expense, will probably be given compo now that fucker cameron has caved into the cunt reigion and made an inquiry likely to find british forces complicit in torture, on the say so of foreign fuckers with a fucking agenda.

Don't get me fucking started..............

Captain Haddock said...

I don't believe & I hope that Gotty won't take umbrage at the link heading this post ..

I consider it to be highly relevant to the discussion underway here ..

It behoves each and every one of us to remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their Country .. and out of respect for their memory it is out duty to ensure they didn't die in vain ..

Dame Davina Pancake said...

What a bloody joke - have emailed a complaint to their site, wonder whether I'll get a reply (if so, I'll post a copy here).  More likely I'll be traced and beheaded.  Not that I have any pre-conceived ideas about this subject

Davina x

Dazed-and-Confused said...

To be honest M.P.A.C.U.K. aren't saying or doing anything wrong here, because as far as the duplicitous teachings of the Koran are concerned confrontation and hostility are simply par for the course.

I don't need to stray anywhere here to see the genuine truth of Islams fundamental beliefs, as they're published widely and in black and white.

Put together within half an hour, I shall begin, but in two parts, as the comments too big for the Echo system to publish in one single rant.

Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave delivered and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is The DELIVERER (Rom 11:26, Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Dazed-and-Confused said...

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).

Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language.

Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).

Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).

Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and/or thought is left to the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).

The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.

The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ in total sinless, holiness, and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).

Dazed-and-Confused said...

Part three for fuck sake:

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

What do 'moderate' Muslims bring to Western society (which so kindly saved them from the poverty - intellectual as well as economic - of their native countries)?
They bring:
1) A 'culture' which engenders conflict with democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion (by dominating over all others) - as proven by every country in Europe with any signifucant Muslim immigration.
2) Replaces freedom to dress how you like with Islamic dress codes - thus putting religious bigots in charge of how women dress.
3) Promote 7th century patriarchal values, polygamy (funded for by the taxpayer) and territorialism (that is appropriation of whole areas where the Muslims move in and the indigenous population leaves), etc. not to mention increase the possibility of honour killing, acid attack, street crime, anti-semitism, etc.
4) Creates halal, sharia finance and other closed (Islamic only) markets - a self-fulfilling Islamic jobs programme where Muslims buy only from Muslims and Islamic businesses impose their religion and religious values through business.
5) Increasingly demand sharia, sharia courts and special 'protected' status and laws and funding sources) which differentiate Muslims from infidel.
6) Spread the fear throughout the whole population (but especally craven media and government) by demanding special rights and demaning self-censorship.
7) Engage in 'intellectual' jihad and cultual relativism (such as the BS that Islam was enlightened when it was Islam which suffocated Europe into the dark ages).
And, finally, venerate a man who engaged in mass murderer, theft, rape, pillage, slave trading and sex with minors as "a perfect example"... or simply throw sand to hide the fact. in effect that's the stance of a 'moderate' Muslim.

I'm thinking fucking Ergodan was right - there is no 'moderate' Islam, and there never fucking was. in effect that's the stance of a 'moderate' Muslim.

I'm thinking fucking Ergodan was right - there is no 'moderate' Islam, and there never fucking was.

Ranter said...

I don't know about all of that stuff.  I just don't like 'em, don't trust 'em and I wish I'd never have to hear the words MOOSE-SLIM, ALLAH, Obama Bin LAden etc EVER AGAIN!  There was a report in teh Daily Mail today about some Mozzies taking their kids out of music lessons, apparantly 10% of the medieval fuckwits interpret the Koran as saying that music and muiscal instrumetns are an abomination etc.  CUNTS!

Gildas said...

<p><span>I am afraid I have to agree with much of the analysis here. There may indeed be rather relaxed followers who tolerate other religions and beliefs But, if pressed I would say that thus is the minority, not the majority.    </span><span>
</span><span>Ultimately, Islam - "submission" - decries free will and hence any form of democratic government. Indeed since all authority comes from God as interpreted in the Koran, and those who interpret what God wants (sorry to be provocative but what do you have to do to be a mullah? Is there a course? And aren't there rather a lot of these interpretations?) decision making by any other body, or by any other rule or code or criteria is therefore, by definition, blasphemy and abomination and may justifiably be treated with torture and death (or usually, both at the same time). It cannot, by definition, recognise any other point of view, and my own experience is that for the purposes of the protection and promotion of the faith, or those within the faith over those who are not part of it ("the Kafirs") is that the ends justify the means. I have found this to be true in small ways but in the greater scheme of things I think the same principle applies.   </span><span>

</p><p><span>To be continued.</span><span></span>

Gildas said...

<p><span>Moreover, as many more learned than me have observed, this dedication to the rule of the will of God (as interpreted in the Koran and then sub interpreted by God knows who, if you will pardon the pun) appears to have degenerated into a cult which worships death, rather than seeks to uphold the sanctity of life - <span> </span><span> </span>hence the suicide bomber, or, in many cases, the drugged up brainwashed 16 year old who is told to kill him/herself.  </span>
</p><p><span>My neighbour is a devout Muslim. He is a very nice man. But this does not detract from the essential character of the faith, or at least a very real and potent aspect of the faith viewed in the wider geo political context.   </span>
</p><p><span>Islam has always been spread by a simple credo - convert or die. There is no doubt that Christianity has had a good few goes at this little mantra as well, both within is various sects as well as on those not yet within its strictures. And one of the usual strictures of those who would howl down anyone who raises concerns in this area is - well, look at the magnificent scientific and cultural achievement of early Islam - the invention of modern mathematics being the most commonly cited example, and some cool stuff about astronomy. How cool was that!? </span>
</p><p>To be continued

Gildas said...

But ultimately this failed. There was no progress. A symptom of the faith or a cause of its modern state? There was no intellectual challenge of the Renaissance or the Enlightenment.
It remains a faith rooted in the medieval world. And there is force in the observation of others that the worship of the afterlife and faith over the present results in a cult which worships life rather than cultivates, respects and enhances life.
It is also steeped in absolute, unflinching anti-Semitism.
Ultimately, it remains the Terminator of faiths. Doubtless to misquote; it does not feel pity, it does not feel remorse, and it absolutely will not stop.
This is most uncomfortable for western liberal intellectualism, which Islam  both hates and despises as weak.
In this latter regard, it may have a valid point.

Gildas the Monk    

Captain Haddock said...

That particular Daily Mail article, is a perfect example of the point I made about one faith being treated more, or less favourably than another ..

Just read some of the quotes .. to see how people in responsible & official positions are running scared and will back down at every given opportunity ..

Not also how the "Muslim Council of Britain" maintains its usual "fence-sitting" stance ..

Personally, I've never rated either Music or Languages as being particularly important lessons at school ..

I'd far rather that a child left school able to swim (at least enough to save its own life) or with a recognised First Aid qualification ..

Things which are of much more practical use than twittering poor French .. or being able to blow a Recorder .. 

Harbinger said...

I look at it this way:

Islam is an alien religion and ideology to what we know of in the west. It's very principles are completely different to the west's freedoms (now almost extinct). They forbid alcohol and pork, two fundamental historical parts of British culture. They worship a man with a very dubious history, who specifically stated that ALL MUSLIMS must Islamise whatever land they're in for Allah.

So on the above it doesn't look good for Britain with Islam in it, growing at an exponential rate, having all the freedom to grow within its own culture, segregate itself off from indigenous UK, allowed their own faith schools to promote Islamic teachings not British ones, given an infinate amount of funding from rich Saudis to build Mosques and promote Islam, given political freedom and minority rights over the majority by the government and of course non stop immigration into the UK from Islamic lands.

Then again, who let Islam in? Why did we allow them to migrate from Pakistan into the North of England to take the cheap paid jobs offered by greedy mill owners, who should have put the wage up for the indigenous (£20 was the national wage in Pakistan they could make that in a week here of which a large chunk went back to Pakistan)? Why did we allow them to grow within the cities and segregate themselves off from the rest of society? Why did we give them freedom to live by their own culture, knowing full well much of it is incompatible with the west? Why do we wage illegal wars in Islamic lands when we know it's going to get their backs up? Why do we continue to support Israel over their genocide against Palestinians? Why do we allow radical Muslims freedom to preach (police specifically told to stay away) yet arrest our own for attacking back?

The question of course is Why for many reasons. Islam didn't just come it was allowed in and allowed to grow massively. Hell we even allow Muslims to practice polygamy yet it's illegal for Brits!

Bottom line Grumpy, Islam was let in for a reason, to grow, to destroy our culture, to make us angry and eventually for us all to go stark, crazy, mad and revolt allowing the government to firstly introduce laws that will destroy the last vestige of liberty we have and secondly to stand behind Israel as it wages war against Islam. The future of the UK is like the film Children of Men. Islam is being set up, given everything it needs to expand all for the authorities to launch a massive attack when they're not looking.

Sure, demographic predict Islamisation by 2075, but in all reality, I reckon WW3 will have happened by them and Muslims will be lower than dirt not just in the UK but all over Europe and the West.

They're being set up and so are we.

Harbinger said...


I used to be anti Islam. I studied it madly, read the Quran and hadith and much of Islamic history and Jihad and of course it did point to the conclusion that Islam was starting another Jihad now it was big enough to do so.

Therefore to all those who can quote this and that, I've been there seen it, wrote the book and worn the T-Shirt.
I eventually asked myself the question - "Why on earth are we allowing an incompatible ideology the freedom to grow in our country, when history proves it's no different to dropping a cat amongst the pigeons." I also asked myself the question - "Why are we fighting in Afghanistan against the very same ideology that our politicians are allowing Saudi Arabia to pump into Mosques, faith schools and madrassahs all around the country - Wahabism?"

It was then I realised that something's not right. Things just didn't add up and something very bad was going on and worse still something horrific will happen in the very near future.

Trust me, when you've done as much reading as I have on the overall situation, what you thought you know shades in comparison to the overwhelming truth that you'll only ever know when you shut off the TV, the radio and stop reading the propaganda in the newspapers daily.

The real threat to the West is not Islam, but is, always has been and always will be Khazar Zionism. And this coming from a former supporter of Israel and yes I suppose I could have been called a Zionist. How things change.

Caratacus said...

Cor - thank Christ I'm not religious. Did try once though, had a spell at Uni doing Theology. Didn't last long. Got myself labelled an Augustinian modalist then went back to work as a nightclub bouncer. Lots of smiting hip and thigh there I can tell you. O yes.

Gildas said...

We did we allow the untrammeled immigration? 
Because of the wilful misconduct of politicians of the liberal elite, their desire to prefer the cultures of others, and, to a degree, because some of them thought there were votes in it for them. And the failure of the people to control them.
G the M

Dazed-and-Confused said...

Islam is dual faced ideology. In practice this means that one group of Muslims will wage violent Jihad, while another part proclaims that Islam is a peaceful religion and the violent Jihadis do not represent Islam.

It's impossible to differentiate between the two, as the groups are interchangeable at a moments notice, what this does in practice is to make it impossible for the genuine fucking victims of Islamic Jihad to retaliate, for fear of hurting the alleged "peaceful" Muslim group.

What needs top be understood is that both groups are operate in tandem, each supporting the other, and both interchangeable from moderate to radical at a moments notice. This is apparent from the Muslim engineers or doctors before the become suicide bombers. The reverse is also true of the violent Jihadi - when he gets caught, he immediately becomes a peaceful moderate, who admits temporary insanity or admits that his understanding of Islam was wrong. In either case, it is not just to get a lenient sentence but also mainly to absolve Islam from the atrocity. Simples....

Captain Haddock said...

It would seem to me that the question "Is Islam misunderstood" ? has been answered both loudly and clearly in the foregoing posts ..

That Islam (allowed to carry on doing as it likes) represents a clear & present danger to the West is beyond doubt ..

That Zionism is dangerous is also clear .. Modern-day terrorism owes its birth to Irgun,the Stern gang & others, involved in the terror campaign waged against the British in Palestine ..

On the face of it Islam & Zionism are at odds .. but consider for a moment ..

How much of a difference is there really between "Salaam" & "Shalom" ? ..

Between "Joseph" & "Yussuf" ? ..

Between "Abraham" & "Ibrahim" ? ..

The answer of course is ...... about half-an-inch ..

Climate Scientologist said...

As well as lying to you about Climate Change, the left-wing, biased BBC is
also engaged in a massive cover-up concerning the activities of Muslims in the UK, probably due to the fact that Islam is effectively the official religion of the BBC (as well as the Labour Party)

This is how foreign broadcasters have been reporting on recent events in the UK which, unsurprisingly, the Biased BBC have chosen to completely ignore.

Islam and the UAF abuse British Troops on Our Streets

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people...

Climate Scientologist said...

As well as lying to you about Climate Change, the left-wing, biased BBC is also engaged in a massive cover-up concerning the activities of Muslims in the UK, probably due to the fact that Islam is effectively the official religion of the BBC (as well as the Labour Party)

This is how foreign broadcasters have been reporting on recent events in the UK which, unsurprisingly, the Biased BBC have chosen to completely ignore.

Islam and the UAF abuse British Troops on Our Streets

Wake up people. Time is rapidly running out...

The Grim Reaper said...

Bloody hell, this is all very in-depth and analytical for the GrumpyOldTwat blog.


Captain Haddock said...

I think the original question .. "Is Islam misunderstood" ? has been pretty comprehensively answered within these posts .. What comes across, loud & clear is that Islam, in its present form is understood all too well ..

Its potential for divisiveness and discord is obviously well recognised .. As stated earlier, I, personally am of no faith at all, therefore I have no religious axe to grind .. I have no problems with anyone following whichever faith they see fit to follow, provided that

A) .. That faith does not encourage, or incite anyone to do harm to anyone who doesn't share that faith ..

B) .. That faith doesn't seek, call for or expect to be treated either more or less favourably than any other faith ..

C) .. That faith operates strictly within the ancient laws & customs of this country ..

Unfortunately, Islam (unlike many other faiths) seems to be incapable of reasoned debating, adapting, integrating and getting on with its life .. It seems to desire and promote conflict and then screams blue murder when people have the temerity to challenge its doings ..

What goes on in Islamic nations abroad is of no concern to us, those are their countries, subject to their laws & their belief system ..

The continuing erosion of British laws & values, together with the continued appeasement of radical Islam will inevitably result in trouble we can well do without ..

As Churchill once famously said .. "An appeaser is one who  feeds a crocodile-hoping it will eat him last" ..

Gildas said...

I agree Captain. I think that sums it up very well

Caratacus said...

As always, the Captain captures the essence. There is no grey area - watch your back folks.

Dazed-and-Confused said...

Continuing the line of Churchills quotes:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslem's may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome".

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Yes, and thanks to 13 years of New Labour, it's only race hatred when directed at a minority. What about the majority of us? Oh, I forgot, we don't fucking count anymore.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

LoL ;)

GrumpyOldTwat said...

<span>".... cameron has caved into the cunt religion ..."</span>
It comes as no surprise to me that he appears to be no different to New Labour, in that respect.
NO less fucking depressing though.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

NO problem Cap'n ... an excellent post with an equally relevant sentiment.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Don't hold your breath Davina but fair play for trying and I do hope you're still with us ;)

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Thank you for going to the time and trouble to research and post such an excellent, in depth and informative response.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

I'm no theologian either, Ranter but I'm sick and fucking tired of being jerked off by a minority group of freedom fucking fuckwits.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

<span>" ... what do you have to do to be a mullah? Is there a course?"</span>
Exactly. Who the fuck do they think they are just taking it upon themselves to ultimately decide what the majority will or won't be allowed to do.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

My thanks again for providing another comprehensive and well thought out point of view on this subject.

Apologies to both you and Dazed for the restriction on comment length that Echo provides ... thanks for sticking with it.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

I have always had the opinion that a 'well rounded' upbringing is the most important aspect when it comes to the raising of children. Maybe I have been lucky but it certainly seems to have done wonders for the maturity of mine.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Another excellent analysis Harbinger and thank you for taking the time and trouble to share your personal experiences.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

<span>"thank Christ I'm not religious"</span>
Me too!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

New Labour and their desperate quest for votes, at any cost, has always been my thoughts behind this seemingly irreversible nightmare.

..... and fuck everyone else!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

"<span>It's impossible to differentiate between the two, as the groups are interchangeable at a moments notice, what this does in practice is to make it impossible for the genuine fucking victims of Islamic Jihad to retaliate, for fear of hurting the alleged "peaceful" Muslim group."</span>

Quite. And don't they just know it. ;-(

GrumpyOldTwat said...

This kind of 'troop abuse', which let's face it is just another way that those filth can eat away at the fabric of our society, is never going to get proper mainstream coverage whilst the BBC and government are so beholding to each other. So far, Cleggeron appear to be no different to Labour in that respect.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

I've been stunned by such a comprehensive response too, Grim and it's so heartening to see that people can submit such wide ranging and varied styles of comments here at G.O.T., not just on this post but across the blog in general.

That's why freedom of speech is so important here and long may it live!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Seconded ;)

GrumpyOldTwat said...

More excellent analysis Dazed.

In fact, overall, the comments in reply to this post will (and should always be) an excellent reference point to anyone that doubts what Islamification is doing to this once proud and Great Britain of ours. If I ever happen across such a denier I will always direct them to this post and suggest that they get their sorry arse over here, digest what has been said, then wake the fuck up and smell the coffee.

Thanks again to everyone who has contributed here so far, much appreciated, and please feel free to continue if you wish.

Dazed-and-Confused said...

Perhaps your first stop should be to pass the info on posted here, to U.A.F. Comrade Neil Lee's, Witnessed in the top post of the comments sections link below, passing his best wishes on to radical fucking Islamists.

Harbinger said...

Some very good analysis' here.


The situation in hte UK is rather bleek in that:

1. We decide to do nothing and either Islamisation is the outcome of the UK by sheer demographic birth rate due to immigration or we become anti Islam and side with the NWO and go along with their planned situation of WW3 against the Islamic world.


2) We decide that Islamisation isn't going to happen, we thus in turn turn into fascist in our beliefs and decide to crush Islam in the West and remove them all from our shores.

Whatever way we're still f*cked in that if we take the first option we destroy our society and if we take the second option we lose everything that we are in our beliefs becoming no different to the fascist, Nazi and Communist states that our ancestors fought against in the past.

We have ourselves to thank for allowing our governments to dictate the situation in the UK. Really, you can't get any more basic than that.

The Grim Reaper said...

It's at times like this I love blogging and blogs. I really do.

Gildas said...

I agree. There has been both been a deliberate desire to trample down what i will crudely call traditional british society, coupled with a drive to get in as many labour voting migrants as possible. 

Gildas said...

Excellent post. That neatly sums up the dilemma which we now face.
Gildas the Monk 

Adam said...

What a bunch of fuckwit ignorant racist cunts you all are. Christians my arse!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Where does it say that I'm a Christian then, you ignorant fuckwit!

Barking Spider said...

It seems that there's always one cunt has to show up, Gotty! ;)

Great post and comments, mate. :-P

Adam said...

The Christian comment was aimed at that cocksucker Dazed & Confused you Fuck. You on the other hand are just a wrinkly old smelly CUNT that hasn't seen any action in decades hence the obvious bitterness and hatred aimed at those Moozlims. Get a fucking life you paranoid racist peice of dog shit.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

Ha ha, yes, and they always seem to crawl out from under their stone a few days late too!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

<span>"You on the other hand are just a wrinkly old smelly CUNT that hasn't seen any action in decades hence the obvious bitterness and hatred aimed at those Moozlims. Get a fucking life you paranoid racist peice of dog shit."</span>

Excellent, I must be doing something right then!
I'll take that as a compliment ;)

Adam said...

If your going to take it as a compliment, please shove it up your arse.

Barking Spider, go back to school and learn how to compose a fucking sentence you fuckwit!

GrumpyOldTwat said...

"...<span>learn how to compose a fucking sentence you fuckwit!"</span>

How about if I help YOU out first then?

"<span>If your going to take it as a ....."</span>
Surely that should be 'you're'?
No, no, don't thank me ;)

Barking Spider said...

Fuck off, you lefty cuntwaft - go and crawl back under your stone.  :-D :-D

Barking Spider said...

Their lack of education always lets them down, Gotty, and they think they're so superior.... ignorant, brainwashed twats!  :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Barking Spider said...

<span>And they all seem to have attended the same Common Purpose school of programming and brainwashing, mate - his insults are just the usual regurgitated shite they all spout from their arseholes. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-P :-P :-P  

GrumpyOldTwat said...

TFR Spidey!
Probably working from a script (geddit) :-D

Harbinger said...

Grumpy OldTwat, if I may speak in your defense?


To quote:

Firstly: "You on the other hand are just a wrinkly old smelly CUNT that hasn't seen any action in decades..."

Secondly: "hence the obvious bitterness and hatred...."

Well, well, well...Mr Pot have you met Mrs Kettle?

Islam is a religious ideology. It is not a race. There are however different races who practice Islam but the word racism cannot be attricuted to dislike of Islam. More so, you may believe that the "modern" version of the word racist contains those who dislike religions, but that's nothing but continued brainwashing of society in order to fit into the New World Agenda of complete and utter ignorance for all.

Believe it or not Adam, there was a time when critical thinking, which involved much criticism of others, was very much part of western culture and ethos. It sort of made us stand out from the rest. You know the kind of criticising that went as:

Clergy: "The world is flat."
Columbus: "Well I don't know, you know. I saw a ship disappear from the horizon which concludes one of two theories that the world is round or that the ship fell off the world into space. Now considering that the captain and crew turned up later off the coast of France, safe and well, we can assume that the former in fact trumps the latter in this case. And I shall prove it."

However, along came the Globalists (as I like to call them) who decided that everyone is the same, we shall all be nice to one another (although this would never happen because of culture and history) and that all cultures and morals are relative - which of course they are not.

Ergo, it is incredibly sad to see that people like you will automatically shout the loudest, including as many liberal slur words as possible in order to bully the truth into submission, so you can continue your cultural immolation of British society, which ironically you belong to.

In other words, you're nothing but a flat earther.

Corrugated Soundbite said...

So it's all kicked off then. Why do I suspect Adam probably has many other aliases?

Anyway, Harbinger is right. There is no such thing as a defined "ethnic Muslim" any more than there is an ethnic Christian (unless a white Christian from Norway is ethnically the same as a black Christian from Trinidad, so to be "racist" to one on the basis of religious choice is to be "racist" to the other). 

In my view, there's nothing at all wrong with criticising any religion. Adam, on the other hand, hasn't yet grasped the differences between a religious text and a gene pool. 

Harbinger said...

Thank you Guldas. It is a bleak situation whichever way you look at it. We've only got ourselves to blame for the rise of Islam within the west either by directly voting for governments who have allowed this or indirectly by either no voting or actively protesting at the Islamisation of many cities within the UK but predominantly within England.

I hate to say it but the bottom line is violence, which will occur as non Brits fight to stay and promote their own cultures against Brits who don't want them to promote their own culture here.

A hole appeared in the damn of the UK 40+ years ago. That hole has got so big that it's beyond repair. It's just a matter of time before the damn breaks and then, well, I need go no further.

Harbinger said...

I think there's nothing wrong whatsoever in criticising, full stop! Corrugated Soundbite. It is our liberty to openly criticise anything and nothing should be protected from such. It should be the right of any freeman to speak how he feels regardless of subject matter and to bring open, much needed debate on a variety of closed off topics - taboos.

GrumpyOldTwat said...

".... <span>if I may speak in your defense?"</span>

Of course ... and an excellent job you have done too.
I love freedom of speech, and long may it continue here!

GrumpyOldTwat said...


Gildas said...

Meanwhile, just to open this up again, some no mark small time preacher in the siuthern us has said he wants to burn the Koran. He has about 70 in his congregation. The result is every rag head from here to Afghanistan threatening in the name of the Religion of Peace death, destruction, war bla bla bla, while every western leader gets on his or her respective knees and gives Islam a media blowjob. No mention of the Christians or westerners murdered Afghanistan, Pakistan or Sudan. No mention of death threats to anyone who expresses criticism of the Religion of Peace. 
As it happens, I don't want to burn anyone's books. But if he wants to, he is entitled. The islamic world makes burning flags, effigies and people a sort of pastime.
To borrow a phrase from Mr GOT: what the fuckity fuck fuck! >:o    

GrumpyOldTwat said...

I've been watching that story with interest and have also been wondering whether to do a post on the subject or not. Having read an excellent summary of the situation, in your comment above, I'm inclined to think that may be I will ;)

Just Woke Up said...

I'm an atheist and I am becoming increasingly concerned at the rise of blasphemy by the back door. The bloody EU has underwritten everyone's 'right' to worship teapots or mad turbanned paedophiles or whatever rocks one's boat. These loonies have won the war on reason. Its statute now! Despite the vast majority of Brits being non-religious or of the births, deaths and marriages type, we are all having to mind our Ps and Qs now in case we upset some ranting maniac spouting hate and intolerance from the minority element who just love causing trouble. Just look at that daft minister from the states with his book burning stunt. Over 100 death threats I am hearing he got. I mean, come on you daft sods. I don't care about the minister - its how us atheists are being forced to silence our criticism of all things nonsensical under threat of becoming a 'hate criminal' or 'racist' or 'fascist' etc.  Its just a book. 100% crap. Just like all the other religious texts by which people throw away their individuality and reason. Anyone who can't understand that and embues this book with magical properties needs put down - same as you would do with any other rabid animal!