tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post1651210524348779038..comments2024-02-17T08:45:56.825+00:00Comments on Grumpy Old Twat: This Blog Post Sounds AngryAll Seeing Eyehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15671520010496394878noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-90367545143226083612010-07-24T11:35:46.000+01:002010-07-24T11:35:46.000+01:00The good guys DO get shat on by the bad sometimes,...The good guys DO get shat on by the bad sometimes, yes. Think Jesus for one. Trotsky would be another ;) . But by their example they showed responsible leadership. Accepting being shat on by the bad guys and not sinking to their level is how you acheive progress. In the end they do lose. Otherwise we'd still be in the stone age.<br /><br />Mars, btw IS on the list of possibles. It just needs terraforming, which IS possible, technologically. If we could free the manpower and the resources which we currently waste.<br /><br />You do realise if we divided the work up proprly and removed the duplication of Capitalist waste we produce enough materials to keep us all in a luxury lifestyle three times over and we can do that on less than ten hours a week each?<br /><br />So the mammoth project of terraforming our neighbours isn't actually cloud cuckoo land at all.<br /><br />Oh, you're not a wimp for throwing in the towel. You were a perfect gentleman and that's something I didn't expect to find on this blog.Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-38775566964876885882010-07-23T20:42:55.000+01:002010-07-23T20:42:55.000+01:00"<span>Of course space colonisation is..."<span>Of course space colonisation is what it's all about!" A slight problem is that all our exploration so far has not found anywhere capable of supporting human life, and Mars is definitely <i><b>not</b></i> on the list of possibles! Unless you venture down the road of cryo-storage (if we can ever make it work), no humans would live long enough to reach another solar system, even if we were able to locate somewhere suitable. </span><br /><br />"<span>We can't stay here forever in a divided world. We'll blow ourselves up." </span><br /><span>- Some high profile commenters have implied much the same in the last couple of weeks, and been soundly condemed by the establishment.<br /></span><br /><br />"<span>Yeah, humanity produices some shit, or has done. But it also produces people like Hawking and Dawkins. It produces Tolkiens, it produces Keats, Byron, Bosch. Amazing guys, really amazing." - Again I make the point that the good guys always get shat on by the bad. It may not be fair, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. </span><br /><br /><span>All this </span><span>talk of</span><span> "believing" sounds to me suspiciously like the "Happy Clappy" brigade. I've had personal experience of them at a previous place of work, and I'm afraid it's no more than brainwashing. </span><br /><br />Sorry, but I'm a realist, and however much I would like the World to magically change for the better, it's not going to happen in my lifetime.<br /><br />I can't see any further point in trying to continue this discussion - if that makes me a wimp for throwing the towel in, then so be it.microdavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-31362684710475135122010-07-23T20:04:58.000+01:002010-07-23T20:04:58.000+01:00"<span>Communism means no concept of p..."<span>Communism means no concept of property. You won't rely on assets. No one will. You'll rely on a democratic system. " - Fine in theory but it hasn't happened in any Communist state so far... Ask the starving people of North Korea if they are happy with nothing. Well, actually, you won't be able to, as the place is pretty well off limits to the rest of us.</span><br /><br />"<span>We've only recently managed to move beyond slavery, female oppression, racism, torture, capital punishment, monarchy." - Slavery maybe, but the rest were still alive and kicking the last time I looked.</span><br /><br />"<span>Proper management solves these issues." - Again I make the point that power corrupts, and once you put people in postitions of authority it <i><b>always</b></i> ends up going to their heads, whether that be under a Capitalist system or Communist.</span><br /><br />Dream on....microdavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-84562030365343097052010-07-23T19:33:18.000+01:002010-07-23T19:33:18.000+01:00"<span>Or maybe they already are among...<i>"<span>Or maybe they already <b>are</b> amongst us"</span></i><br />Beckett and Opik look a bit fucking dodgy .... perhaps that would explain it ;)GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-29781653097096370192010-07-23T19:31:03.000+01:002010-07-23T19:31:03.000+01:00Will do Bunnikins. Try an ice bath, if you dare ;)...Will do Bunnikins. Try an ice bath, if you dare ;)GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-88072937067875238282010-07-23T19:29:42.000+01:002010-07-23T19:29:42.000+01:00"<span>We are not all equal - long may...<i>"<span>We are not all equal - long may that remain the case."</span></i><br />A-fucking-men to that! After all, how dreadful would it be if we all ended up being crushed ;)GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-79840170370604882822010-07-23T19:19:19.000+01:002010-07-23T19:19:19.000+01:00Every time a would be anarchist is on the back foo...Every time a would be anarchist is on the back foot he hauls Proudhon out of his arse. Good ole Proudhon (property is theft etc. - except that's MY motorcar and you touch it at your peril old son) that all round good egg who wanted all the jews rounded up and booted out of Fance, Adolf would have been proud especially when he heard Mr P sounding off about the inferior race of negroes.<br /><br />The reason why your utopia will never work is because some people work hard and some people are lazy bastards. Some will graft away all day for the greater good and some fat untermenschen will open another can of special brew settle back in front of the telly and let them get on with it. We are not all equal - long may that remain the case.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-2653270327476693102010-07-23T18:27:50.000+01:002010-07-23T18:27:50.000+01:00Of course space colonisation is what it's all ...Of course space colonisation is what it's all about! It's at the heart of everything. Probably the single most important deciding factor and the one that proves Capitalism is fxxked. It's failure to propel us into terraforming Mars, a whole world for the taking. If Capitalism worked, they wouldn't be cancelling returning to the Moon.<br /><br />We can't stay here forever in a divided world. We'll blow ourselves up. Might i refer you, btw, to the fermi paradox. One proposed answer is that all intelligent civilisations are created by violent predators therefore once they split the atom- which they need to do to colonise space- they soon blow eachother up.<br /><br />I don't accept that grim hypothesis. I actually think we are alone and that's the answer. Alone in this galaxy, anyway. At least as far as Eukaryote life goes.<br /><br />We are the best there is. the best thing in the Universe, perhaps. And I have faith in our ability to move forward.<br /><br />Yeah, humanity produices some shit, or has done. But it also produces people like Hawking and Dawkins. It produces Tolkiens, it produces Keats, Byron, Bosch. Amazing guys, really amazing.<br /><br />Don't you believe that this is worth something and worth believing in?Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-23834081586348597602010-07-23T18:27:23.000+01:002010-07-23T18:27:23.000+01:00Microdave; the term exists. I use it myself. But I...Microdave; the term exists. I use it myself. But Illuminati, etc, dear lord.<br />Yes, Microdave, I've seen the 'research' you lot enjoy. I've also read Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the master blueprint of all conspiracy theorists.<br /><br />You're thinking on the right lines vis a vis the collapse. We will have Communism, but the bankers won't bring it in. Why would they want it?<br /><br />Assets you rely on for your livelihoods...<br /><br />Communism means no concept of property. You won't rely on assets. No one will. You'll rely on a democratic system.<br /><br />Your last paragraph puzzled me.<br /><br />What DO you want for our future? Surely evolution and progression is what it's all about?<br /><br />Don't you ever walk round your home and think 'One day life will be easier'. One day people will be calmer. Happier. More knowledgeable.<br /><br />You think in terms of a speciers only just coming out of adolescence. That's what we are. We've only recently managed to move beyond slavery, female oppression, racism, torture, capital punishment, monarchy and other nasty things.<br /><br />Two thousand years ago, people were thrown to lions for fun.<br /><br />Capitalism creates the mindset creates most of the problems that you refer to. Ultimately because it';s unsustainable and needs vast levels of unnecessary and wasteful consumption as well as the need to waste human labour. These are inbuilt features of the interest based economy.<br /><br />Proper management solves these issues.Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-1621661433775332882010-07-23T17:09:07.000+01:002010-07-23T17:09:07.000+01:00Ohhh, I missed all the fun here, I'll have to ...Ohhh, I missed all the fun here, I'll have to read later. Trying to get out of the house before it's 105 degrees heat index.<br />Have a fun weekend, GOT.Bunninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-83196071511684722812010-07-23T15:56:55.000+01:002010-07-23T15:56:55.000+01:00The problem with any form of communism is that it ...The problem with <strong>any</strong> form of communism is that it <strong>doesn't</strong> take human nature into account - <strong>that's</strong> why it will never happen democratically - and there are <strong>always</strong> some right self-serving bastards in control with an even <strong>worse</strong> self-serving bastard controlling <strong>them!</strong><br /><br />As far as colonising space is concerned, once we have the technology to be able leave our own solar system and reach other stars where we <strong>know</strong> there are probably Earth-like planets, we may well encounter something even <strong>nastier</strong> than us... and if they have superior technology, we're <strong>fucked!</strong> =-OBarking Spidernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-65114246634131280462010-07-23T15:40:00.000+01:002010-07-23T15:40:00.000+01:00You seem to find the suggestions of a New World Or...You seem to find the suggestions of a New World Order to be pie in the sky (it's not, do some research), yet you think that war will be impossible if we have a United States of Earth. You can't have it both ways.The EU hasn't stopped war between some of the former Soviet states, because people don't like their own identity being trampled on.<br /><br />The looming breakdown of Capitalism won't (unfortunately) mean we can all go back to managing our own lives in your "harmonious and pleasureable society". It will mean the billionare banking groups and other enormously powerful figures will seize control of <b>all</b> the assets we rely on for our livelyhoods, and we will end up with Communism on a grand scale.<br /><br />I don't like that thought, but as I've already said the human race is not composed of uniformly nice people. There are some right evil bastards out there, and they invariably get their way....<br /><br />As for us expanding out into the far off universe - don't you think we've done enough damage to this planet already? When questions are asked as to why we haven't had any visitations from other planets, I chuckle to myself and say "Why the hell would any beings clever enough to have developed interplanetary travel want to come to this sh1thole?" - Except to harvest us for their own nefarious purposes, perhaps.<br /><br />Or maybe they already <i><b>are</b></i> amongst us, and what's happening is all part of some master plan??microdavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-88004974705357468652010-07-23T15:29:01.000+01:002010-07-23T15:29:01.000+01:00It wouldn't by tyrannical :)
You not read Pr...It wouldn't by tyrannical :) <br /><br />You not read Proudhon, Caratacus? Not aware of the concept of the whiethering away of the state?<br /><br />In a true Communist Democracy, ALL the people form the legislature. There wouldn't be a central executive either. Complete separation of powers.<br /><br />In fact, it would be a bit like you had no government, just a lot of separate utility companies with every person being a shareholder. True Communism is, paradoxically, the logical conclusion of the Capitalist dream :) <br /><br />There is a sense in which in fact, Communism is Anarchy, because there is no longer a distinction between state and society. It's just that it isn't a chaotic anarchy. It's an anarchy that actually ends up being MORE cohesive and efficient- even though it increases individuality- than what we have now :)Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-71316749600011021122010-07-23T15:17:41.000+01:002010-07-23T15:17:41.000+01:00Would you be so kind as to pencil me in for the fi...Would you be so kind as to pencil me in for the first of the subversive movements dedicated to the overthrow of the tyrranical United States of Earth, there's a good fellow.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-10425733935122037882010-07-23T14:28:16.000+01:002010-07-23T14:28:16.000+01:00Wow, Mircrodave!
Those were some well thought and...Wow, Mircrodave!<br /><br />Those were some well thought and objectively sound refutations! You totally proved me wrong!<br /><br />Microdave; Democracy wouldn't have been possible in the middle ages. Society EVOLVES. Communism wasn't possibly last century. That's why it didn't work. It is now.<br /><br />Oddly, Marx himself predicted the downfall of Capitalism would take place in THIS century.<br /><br />Once the economy had become global and it was no longer possible to find new consumers so that the economy effitively cannibalised itself to keep paying the interest that was once paid by an ever expanding economy that can no longer expand.<br /><br />As I say, Marxism is a theory of historical progression. But most of his predictions have stood the test of time; history happened as he predicted.<br /><br />Might I point out, it will hard to have a war if the Earth is a United States of Earth. Granted, there could still be terrorists groups, but the age of war as we know it would be over.Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-26287181759818688252010-07-23T13:20:14.000+01:002010-07-23T13:20:14.000+01:00I think he's had too many already!
I worked w...I think he's had too many already!<br /><br />I worked with some people taking Prozac - sorry to be blunt, but I would rather top myself than go down that route....microdavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-36120380212761835912010-07-23T12:57:25.000+01:002010-07-23T12:57:25.000+01:00Agreed.
I'll get me coat then ----->Agreed.<br />I'll get me coat then ----->GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-19470370096068839742010-07-23T12:56:43.000+01:002010-07-23T12:56:43.000+01:00I think maybe he could do with a few of those '...I think maybe he could do with a few of those 'chemical tablets' he keeps droning on about ;)GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-5950686378885125992010-07-23T12:52:13.000+01:002010-07-23T12:52:13.000+01:00"<span>considered leaving a comment bu...<i>"<span>considered leaving a comment but thought better of it"</span></i><br />It probably wouldn't have seen the light of day anyway. Despite people like that banging on about free speech and shit, they do so love their comment moderation and deletion activities.GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-14254206410525872582010-07-23T12:10:51.000+01:002010-07-23T12:10:51.000+01:00"<span>Our aims are that we expand acr..."<span>Our aims are that we expand across the galaxy, our knowledge increases, our lives become easier" - This might be fine in theory, but history has shown that there will always be some who are unhappy with their lot, and who will stop at nothing (including war) to gain more power and riches. The futuristic SciFi films showing a happy population, with all they could wish for, <b>ALWAYS</b> have a meglomaniac dictator hiding round the corner. </span><br /><br /><span>Face facts - your "vision" will always be just that, a vision. <br /></span><br /><br /><br /><br />"<span>But today, morality is a matter of science." - Oh, what like the morals of the scientists involved in one of the greatest scams ever to be foisted on mankind.</span> Laydees 'n Genlemen I give you Mann Made Global Warming....<br /><br /><br />"<span>You think Marxism is about oppression. It's not. Quite the reverse. It's about the road to a world where you become truly free. Where each human being can guarantee that for the most part his world is under his own control."</span><br /><br /><span>Sorry, but when I got to this paragraph I spat my tea & biscuits all over the keyboard...<br /></span>microdavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-36545828244630811702010-07-23T12:06:58.000+01:002010-07-23T12:06:58.000+01:00Gotty ... GOTTY Oi - he's doing it here now as...Gotty ... GOTTY Oi - he's doing it here now as well. Quick, you get the back-to-front overcoat, ASE get Sims to bring the Roller round the back and I'll keep hitting the fucker until the noise stops.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-83764602395741340002010-07-23T11:59:39.000+01:002010-07-23T11:59:39.000+01:00Intrigued, I made the mistake of having a look. Fu...Intrigued, I made the mistake of having a look. Fuck me don't ee go on and on and on and bleddy on. Lost the will to live after about the third paragraph I think, considered leaving a comment but thought better of it. Never a good thing to mock the afflicted.Caratacusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-91381451081075430032010-07-23T09:37:35.000+01:002010-07-23T09:37:35.000+01:00I'll admit, I'm a complete reductionist. I...I'll admit, I'm a complete reductionist. I believe in science. And I believe with the knowledge we have, now is the time to burn the baggage of the past and reconstruct society to serve the aims of 'The greatest possible happiness and sensde of life worth and fulfillment of the greatest possible proportion of an ever increasing and expanding manner'.<br /><br />We need to be scientifically objective about this. Our aims are that we expand across the galaxy, our knowledge increases, our lives become easier, the only worry we have is how to make the maximum contribution with our lives to the common good and to ensure overall human contentment and joy continually increase, society becoming ever more harmonious and pleasurable.<br /><br />This, Barking can only be acheived, my friend, if we do become a bit more Vulcan like :) <br /><br />You can't work out right and wrong from reading texts written by Iron Age scribes or looking at they did once. That just tells you how their systems worked in times before we understood things like the laws of thermodynamics or evolution theory.<br /><br />But today, morality is a matter of science. It's all about understanding what chemicals make people feel what, it's about genetic codes, it's about extraction of raw materials, growth of food, it's about efficient systems, it's ultimately all about nuclides, quarks, hydrocarbons, chromosomes.<br /><br />You think Marxism is about oppression. It's not. Quite the reverse. It's about the road to a world where you become truly free. Where each human being can guarantee that for the most part his world is under his own control. His own life can be operated simply by pressing buttons and will always be exactly as s/he planned it.<br /><br />Because the system WE have designed will work. And work better than the one 'God' designed. Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-63932467069306221342010-07-23T09:34:59.000+01:002010-07-23T09:34:59.000+01:00Barking;
The phrase 'Part vulcan, part Eloi&#...Barking;<br /><br />The phrase 'Part vulcan, part Eloi' is a phrase I've often used on my blog for what I hope we'll evolve into.<br /><br />Now, your langauge says it all. You don't believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH for those advocating Trotskyism or the abolition of marriage?<br /><br />So we're not allowed to say it without being harassed or have some right wing bigot run posts accusing you of being into Satanism and comparing you to Jim Jones?<br /><br />Higham had every right to debarte me in comments sections; he never did that. Just ran posts accusing me of Satanism and folowing me around bullying me in comments sections etc, or getting others to do it for him.<br /><br />Worse was the fact he used a female stalker of mine- one who'd actually made stalking phone calls to my own grandmother and subjected me to months of e-mail harassment as part of his campaign.<br /><br />These are facts, Barking.<br /><br />Whether or not you agree with Trotskism and whether or not you agree with Free Love and the abolition of marriage, you still need to give the proposition a fair hearing and not judge the arguments with a kneejerk response. Debates aren't solved that way.<br /><br />My policy has always been to present the empirical argument objectively, trying to use deductive reasoning, such as the Occam's razor principle.<br /><br />It is my view that if one uses completely objective reductionist logic, the Marxist case becomes proven, as does the argument that we need to disestablish marriage and the nuclear family.<br /><br />You may well disagree. Higham clearly does. But since you haven't analysed the propositions objectively after hearing the arguments using a reductionist approach, how valid can your opinion be?<br /><br />Most of what Higham alleges on his blog about 'Them' and Illuminati and New world Orders and the like does NOT pass any kind of analytical reasoning. It's full of logical fallacies, vague and dubious coincidental links and as theories go, none of it passes the Occam's razor test. It's little better than the Magnum Opera of David Icke.<br /><br />Is he free to say those things? Well, yeah. But likewise, I should be entitled to say 'Look mate, this stuff is off the wall. There is no Satan and no Illuminati. Much of what you describe can be explained by Marxist theory without the need to invoke an imaginary grouping of evil.'Crushednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4229057500348631201.post-13042770195396434442010-07-22T23:27:07.000+01:002010-07-22T23:27:07.000+01:00** Applause ** Hear! Hear!** Applause ** Hear! Hear!GrumpyOldTwatnoreply@blogger.com